Ah thanks Eve… yes, guilty as charged of sneaking in my news 🙂
I did get an inkling back in late December and had it confirmed in early January that I’d need to start treatment. Then lots of decision making etc. I am on day 13 of Cycle 1 of VTD now. I’m still able to keep working etc so in some ways it’s just a case of getting on with ‘normal life’ for now, just with more hospital and lots of crazy Dex…
I didn’t really want to write much on here earlier on because I hadn’t really told many people in ‘the real world’ as it were, so I didn’t want to write it in public on the internet. But my friends and family know now etc so I guess it’s ok. Still, I don’t think I’ll write much on here as I don’t really feel like it this time, but I do read from time to time and keep up with how everyone is. I’m very glad Slim is getting new options at the Marsden – keep on fighting together Eve! I see Ian is also about to go back on treatment again – hi Maureen if you read this.
And I’m doing OK Eve – it was a huge blow to relapse but I found the waiting stage worse than I’m actually finding it now I’m on treatment.
I will definitely post news at some point about how I get on, when I finish my cycles and am ready for my SCT….
Helen
Hi Tom! Hope you’re doing well.
I’m curious: what’s an MRI diffusion scan? Never heard of one of them… 😉
Helen
Hi Ann,
I just wanted to say I’ll also be doing an SCT and I’m going with the idea that it is doable! I know someone recently who did it and said it was an anticlimax – that’s what I’m planning to have too!
It’s a lot to take on, and the Dex etc drives you mad (I’m also on dex currently) but before you know it, it’ll all be over and you’ll be getting on with life again.
Helen
Hi all,
Just to add another story to the mix to remind us all again how individual (and unpredictable) it is. I was diagnosed stage 3, bone damage, kidney problems, hypercalcaemia, pneumonia, really very ill, just as I turned 33. I had 4 cycles of PAD, with a very rapid response: light chains in blood and urine both vanished to zero after just 1 cycle. (I never had paraproteins). My response was called Stringent Complete Remission (sCR) as no evidence of disease in bone marrow, light chain ratio normal etc. Did an MRD test of some sort on the trial and was MRD-negative i.e. really however hard you looked you couldn’t see any myeloma.
So, as has been said above: the idea is to get the best depth response, I got that. But it doesn’t necessarily correlate to the longest remission.
I didn’t do an SCT but did a harvest, so I’m one of those ‘what happens if you delay?’ guinea pigs. What happened is that I relapsed around a year after harvest. Obviously there’s no counterfactual i.e. an exact me who decided to do an SCT – so there’s no way of knowing what would have happened if I’d done one upfront. What I will find out is what happens when I do it later this year. I’m hoping for the added effect of an SCT to give me a longer remission this time. We shall see. I will let you know!
At my age, I don’t feel like waiting has added any morbidity. I’m in better shape this time around than last time actually, as I was so ill at first diagnosis whereas this time I’ve caught it while I’m still ‘well’, if you see what I mean. I’m otherwise healthy, all my bloods are bang on, etc etc etc. From my point of view, it was appealing at the time to get back to normal life sooner, see if I could get away with less treatment, not have to do the SCT (yet), not have issues of possible infertility etc which SCT brings. Obviously everyone has different things in terms of stage of life and quality of life.
Potentially there is a risk that more clones have developed and a theory that the SCT would have been more effective earlier on – but I think the jury is still out, at least enough for there to be views on both sides. Psychologically, I feel like I’ve still got an SCT (or two ore more SCTs, who knows) ‘up my sleeves’ which at this stage feels like a good thing.
Of course I do wonder what would have happened with an SCT upfront – maybe I’d have had a three year remission or something, which would have been nice. But maybe I’ll get that now anyway, and I just ‘bought’ myself a happy drug-free year on top of that. There’s just no way of knowing, and what’s done is done.
Beyond that, I suppose I’ve no idea what CDT would have done. Maybe velcade works fast but doesn’t give long remissions? Who knows?
For what it’s worth, I think I’m one of the ‘responds to treatment quickly, comes back quickly’ sub-types of myeloma which will no doubt have its own name in future… So probably lots of you have different experiences (slow fall, maybe never reach zero but plateau, slow rise or bob up and down) and in a way my experience isn’t that relevant to yours. But then again someone else out there reading this may be similar, so I hope it’s helpful to write up my experience.
Good luck with all of you at your various stages, and thanks for sharing all the thoughts – I find it interesting. I’ve also read a lot and done all my ‘due diligence’ but realise there’s a point beyond which it is indeed guesswork at this point. And that’s just how it is. I have great doctors and also had a second opinion very helpfully this time around. At this point I can’t see much more that could be done and I’m exceedingly grateful that finance doesn’t enter into the picture and remain a massive fan of the NHS – I can’t imagine having to deal with insurance companies etc and I hate the fact that in the US the average life expectancy statistics are so low, even when some people do amazingly well at specialist centres, i.e. there is such inequity (although I do realise we benefit from all the advanced drug development they do with those who can afford it). I do see one possible hitch currently that in the UK we seem to get either Velcade OR Revlimid rather than both together whereas RVD might be quite good to try, and that Carfilzomib is appealing as the newer velcade – but I am lucky not to suffer from PN so velcade seems fine for me, and in a way I’m just buying into the theory of ‘save the revlimid for later’. Obviously further down the line I may find more issues arising and get out on my campaigning horse to fight for new drugs or whatever with Myeloma UK, but at this relatively early stage I feel well catered for.
Helen
PS and I forgot to say more generally, phone Maggie/Ellen at Myeloma UK who have the full picture on treatment etc – there will I’m sure be various good treatment options.
Hi Molly,
Welcome to the site. Sorry you’ve had such a ride of it so far, but I think you’ll have a very positive experience with the NHS and myeloma. Obviously I can’t speak for everyone but in general I get the impression people feel we get excellent care – I do.
On financial aspects, get in touch with Macmillan – you can book a call with a financial adviser who will talk you through all the benefits etc by phone or in person. They also send you all the paperwork about it. I don’t want to start trying to say what I think there is as I might mislead you and I’m not up on all the post-65 stuff etc.
Good luck and keep in touch!
Helen
Haha, stop telling people about my warts David? 😉 And actually I’ve just remembered you may have an SA connection, hence the vasbyte?
A family tree sounds a great idea! I meanwhile am meant to be fast asleep so will keep this very short by my usual long standards – thanks for clarifying that it is still worth doing as long as I take those two steps!
Your London trip sounds great… I work near there so will think of you! Sounds like you’ll be having a great time reliving your honeymoon 🙂 If you end up with a spare hour, we had a work outing the other day and got the boat which goes from the London Eye – past parliament, up to Tower of London and back. If it’s a sunny day I highly recommend it! Cost £11 and I live here but I still enjoyed it… you just get a great – and different – view of everything from the river, including all the new crazy-shaped skyscrapers in the City – and you don’t have to walk a step! You can sit below deck nice and warm, but we were up on deck as it was a surprisingly nice afternoon in between all this rain.
Vasbyte!
Helen
Thanks so much David for taking the time to reply.
It’s very helpful to know about the first point, contacting your doctor, and that if anything (even irrelevant) is not declared the whole thing may be void. I had not fully understood – but had worried about that. I remember reading about someone whose life insurance policy would not pay out as he hadn’t declared pins and needles (he had a type of cancer). However this was NOT made clear to me by the company who said I could just exclude the heart issues!!
My myeloma was declared, but I now realise many other things weren’t. I’ve had tons of other things, minor and major which I didn’t declare. So the £500-600 I’ve paid in the last year was fairly pointless. It did buy me ‘peace of mind’ because I hadn’t fully understood what I was buying, but not much else?
The especially tricky thing is when you are awaiting tests, or test results. This can be a lot of (or all of) the time. For example, last summer, I had this heart issue so I was taking warfarin with another echocardiogram in 6 weeks to check progress. I had checked with cardiologist and haemotologist and clarified that they felt there was no risk to me from flying and travelling. I’d even been sure to get this in writing in case I needed to travel for work (my employer self-insures so it’s a different process I have to go through). So in that sense, I wasn’t taking a risk as I saw it, I was trying to be sensible and minimise risks. Given the tough year I’d had, I was very keen to go on holiday (just 5 days in France, staying in my cousin’s flat last May was my first trip, so very low key). I thought I was taking extra precautions by getting travel insurance and declaring my myeloma. As you say, I’d clocked the fact that repatriation is very expensive and that in particular I wanted to be covered for. But now I just feel like I was being fleeced by a company set up to target people with health conditions… Maybe that’s unfair of me to say, but that’s what it feels like.
I suppose now in future I’d make sure to go through the process you describe, making sure I’d declared absolutely everything via my doctor, knew about the health facilities where I was going, knew whether I’d have to go to a public place first etc and which one I’d go to – and then, like you say, make the choice with my eyes open about whether to pay up the ££ or (based on other aspects like those you mention, who I’d be with, how I could get home etc) just take the calculated risk.
I hope I didn’t sound overly naive or like I don’t take my health seriously. I do, and while I was on treatment last time around I barely left my London borough for 6 months, didn’t get public transport, was very careful with hygiene, etc. But times like that made it even more important for me to do things while I could, in remission. I can’t minimise risks to zero and, well, as we all know with myeloma you don’t get the length of life you’d hoped for so it’s very important for me to keep living while I’m living. If I just stay home and watch TV for 5 years by myself it doesn’t seem worth doing all this nasty treatment. I know there are plenty of other ways to enjoy life than travel and holidays, but I’m someone who has always lived and worked overseas on and off, and many of my closest friends are out of the UK, so (although I love the UK) going overseas something I’m prepared to take the odd calculated risk for. I guess leaving the UK is unlikely to happen much if at all in the next 12-18 months so I’m very glad I made it to Cape Town while I still could.
Thanks again for writing and I hope you continue to do well in battling myeloma and the other various challenges. I always enjoy reading your posts!
Helen
Hi Vicki and Colin and everyone,
It’s a real pain, isn’t it? Here’s my experience with AllClear, for what it’s worth: I got an annual multi-trip Europe policy with them last May. It cost me something like £250-350 but I can’t remember exactly – didn’t seem too horrific for a full year, bearing in mind the myeloma. At this point I was in remission. They only ask you about 4 questions which I can’t remember, but it includes any fractures in the last 12 months (I was ‘no’ for that) and annoyingly they ask you about kidney damage, which for me comes up as ‘yes’ even though I only had it for less than a week I think… they then put you down as having ‘chronic kidney failure’ but for me all the subsequent questions show it’s not so bad (haven’t seen a kidney specialist, not on dialysis etc etc). At the time I also had a possible blood clot in my heart (turned out it was one but went away with warfarin) and I remember the first company I called (possibly World First?) somehow wouldn’t cover me because I must have expressed it in a way that I had an undiagnosed condition which was a no-no. With AllClear it turned out that I could just not declare that and it was therefore not covered – but I wasn’t concerned it would cause any problems as I was already on warfarin for it, and at that stage they were pretty sure it was just a funny shape in my heart sticking out(!)
I’m now relapsing and due to start treatment soon. I had some free flights to use up (from being bumped off another flight in October back from the US) and decided to Carpe Diem and have a nice holiday last month to Cape Town to see a friend – free flights, free accommodation, expensive insurance…. I phone up AllClear. When I explained that I am no longer in remission, they cancelled my Annual Multitrip. I paid £260 for a one-off ‘Rest of World’ cover (think this excludes US, can’t remember). I think I called one other company and they didn’t pick up. I was exhausted and found it hard even to get the time to set it up so (more fool me) I didn’t shop around. I decided £260 for a 10-day holiday in Cape Town was pretty amazing.
Still, this time I did nearly have to use it – and to be honest it makes me realise I should read the small print or ask more questions and spend more time in future. Near the end of my holiday I started vomiting during the night and had a fever (went from about 37.5 up to 38.3 at most). I felt awful and kept vomiting the next day, so as you can imagine I began to get quite concerned. Probably just some sort of gastritis but…. In London I’d have called my hospital, quite likely gone into hospital by the afternoon, and quite possibly had blood tests, a drip to rehydrate me, maybe antibiotics, maybe stayed overnight: after all, I have myeloma and am relapsing currently so they tend to err on the safe side.
My South African friend rang around and found out that a clinic in Constantia would be the best place: they have haemotology specialists as well as A&E. We set off driving there around 2/3pm. I was actually just beginning to feel like I’d stopped vomiting – could hold down water – but didn’t know if it would last, and still had a temperature.
AllClear give you an emergency number to ring if you might spend over £500. That was fully possible if there were cautious, so I decided to do the right thing and call them to make sure I could claim etc. However, the phoneline which operates for AllClear (a medical line based in Ireland, can’t remember the name) firstly had none of my details which was just annoying when I felt so awful – had to tell them my address, etc etc, what my condition is – but secondly told me that I had to go to a PUBLIC facility first. They made it sound like I could just go to a walk-in clinic to get referred to another place – but in reality that just doesn’t make sense in a country/city where anyone of average means would go to a private clinic, especially when you’re a foreign national so not eligible for public healthcare.
As I was feeling OK rather than awful, we decided to try the A&E at the public hospital which is attached to UCT medical school (Groote something, again I forget the name!) My friend managed to drive me into the ambulance entrance but otherwise I’d have had a long walk. He then had to go off and park and was lucky to be able to talk his way in afterwards as formally you weren’t allowed anyone to accompany you. I sat in one place for a while, utterly bemused if it was the right place. It then turned out I had to go back to reception to get registered and get a file. When I was finally seen, and I had no South African ID but handed over my passport, the guy just looked at me like I was mad… He made it very clear it would be complicated for me to enter, said there was a fee which was 400 rand or more and that it would be much cheaper and faster for me to go to a private facility.
I decided just to leave, and we did try one private hospital en route back but it was about £150 just to see a doctor (and they had no haemotologist) which was more than the specialist place in Constantia – I was also feeling more or less OK and decided just to go home to bed. I was still sick once more that evening and had a fever, but the next morning I was fine, just washed out.
Sorry for the long saga but my point is that I’m now rather worried some of these insurances are utterly pointless: I would have been better off not paying £260 and accepting that if I needed medical treatment I’d have had to pay out of my own pocket. In practice maybe if I’d never called up and gone to the private clinic and been treated they’d have paid up… but maybe not! Worst case, you pay for insurance and then pay again for treatment. But of course it’s terrifying to think of the massive bills you could end up with from medical treatment, missing your flight home etc… and I for one don’t have any savings so it’s not really a risk I can take.
I also noticed that the other elements of the insurance (e.g. lost possessions, stolen items) were really rubbish and had really low limits per item and high excess.
Next time I would avoid AllClear and would probably try WorldFirst. Has anyone had experience of making a claim with them?
To end on a more positive note: I am VERY glad I went on holiday. Do go, it’s so important! I also found out that I was able to recover from a vomiting bug as quickly as any ‘normal’ person – so even if it’s more nervewracking, if you’re generally doing OK at the moment do remember it’s not that likely you’ll need any major medical treatment while away…
I do think I’ll stick to the European Union for the next little while though…!!
Helen
Hi Jade,
I didn’t have an SCT just 4 cycles then the harvest and may do SCT in future – but I wanted to write and share thoughts just as I know what it’s like when you’re trying to plan ahead and figure it all out date-wise. I don’t know if you’ve factored this all in already but timing tends to slip: e.g. sometimes they have to delay a cycle by a week because of an infection or something; before SCT they may need to do a bone marrow biopsy to check the response, then it can take 2-3 weeks to get the full result from that and discuss them, then they may need to do heart and lung functions tests etc etc etc before authorising SCT. So there’s a fair amount of faffing around and paperwork etc – even ‘ASAP’ doesn’t mean quite as fast as you may think. They also can consider things like weddings in some cases.
Oh and the harvest may also have 5-10 days of injections before it too, so that’s also a delay.
So (I hope) you may well find that the wedding fits neatly in the gap after treatment but before SCT. Of course it’s hard to predict but I really hope it works out like that. Does your Mum have a Macmillan nurse or someone who can talk you through the usual sort of timings at her hospital?
I really hope it works out!
Helen
Hi Tom,
Sorry to hear that… But 4 years is a good innings and just think of the nice guy I meet sometimes in clinic: he got a 7 year remission and then a 10 year remission next time around. So maybe you’ll beat 4 next time – I dare you to!
Good luck with the BMB,
Helen
Welcome to Nick and all those of you I haven’t yet ‘met’ before!
Sorry you’re joining us but you’re not alone – there are a whole bunch of us here living this weird existence, although some like me only write from time to time. I had treatment last year and have enjoyed a good year this year in remission.
Helen
Hi Maureen,
It was great to read that Ian got home, even if a little later than planned. I hope he’s doing well now and even if the weather isn’t so favourable you’re finding plenty of things indoors to keep you occupied!!
take care and enjoy the run up to Christmas,
Helen
Dear all, and especially Dai’s family,
I’m very late to add my condolences. I think in some way I didn’t really want to believe it was true, and like others have said it was such a shock when I read the sad news: Dai was such an institution on here. Since that’s how it came across even in messages on a forum and never having met him, I can only begin to imagine what a character he must have been for all of you who knew him in ‘real life’, as it were. You must be missing him a lot, and left with a big hole – but also a lot of very fond and vivid memories! It’s great to see the story in the paper and read a little of what else he’d done.
Many thanks to Dai – as to all the others on the forum – for all the words of wisdom given even during the toughest of times. I didn’t think myeloma would ever get the better of him – but then again he clearly wrung every last drop out of life and kept fighting on to the vrey last minute the latest drugs would allow, so in that sense I don’t really think it did, he definitely came out on top.
All the best,
Helen
Hi Maureen,
That's great news – he's had more than his fair share of time in hospital, so fingers crossed for a smooth couple of days and home in double quick time.
I hope you're doing well too.
I often think it's a shame the NHS doesn't do loyalty cards with reward points… you'd have earned a free holiday in the last year!! (Obviously it wouldn't really work, but you know what I mean….)
Helen