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  • #120164

    iang
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    Hi Peter and Andrea

    > Peter
    I said specialist care nurse in another thread. I’ve just checked and I should have said clinical nurse specialist. FLCs weren’t mentioned during my reviews except when I asked and then the response seemed a bit reluctant and brief. They seemed to concentrate on pp as a measure of progress. I’m sure you will have been told to drink plenty of fluids to protect your kidneys.

    The initial Velcade dose is 1.3mg/sq m x your body surface area in sq m. Your BSA can be estimated using BSA(sq m) = sqrt( Height(cm) x Weight(kg) / 3600 ).

    One effect of Velcade I forgot to mention is injection site reaction. I regularly developed a slightly tender red area round the injection site, I would guess about 1.5 inches across, which gradually faded over the next two weeks or so. Velcade literature recommends injecting in the tummy or thighs and gives advice about needle length and injection angle to minimise the risk of injection site reaction. For example see pages 11 and 12 here:

    http://www.velcade.com/Files/PDFs/dosing_and_admin.pdf

    I was injected in the back of my upper arm, alternating between my left and right arms for successive injections. This IMF tip card says skin reaction may be more likely there (first para on page 2):

    http://myeloma.org/pdfs/TipCards/IMF-TipCard-SQVelcade_2014_b3_web.pdf

    Watch out for peripheral neuropathy.

    Good luck. Hope it goes well.

    Ian

    > Andrea
    In retrospect I should have had my head shaved. I lost some hair after priming and a lot more after the Melphalan. The wispy remnants probably didn’t look good. I didn’t get them clipped until my hair started regrowing.

    Is a second BMB standard where you’re being treated? I’ve only had one – the one I had at diagnosis.

    Good luck with your transplant.

    Ian

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    #120143

    iang
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    Hi Peter

    The attenuated version has half the dose of Dex, i.e. 20mg instead of 40mg. I assume I was on it because of my age, I was 68 at the time. Published information about CTDa usually says it’s given to older and/or less fit patients who are not eligible for a transplant, but I went on to have one. It’s mentioned in Myeloma UK’s CTD Infoguide (bottom of page 27) and in their Essential Guide (page 34) and possibly elsewhere in their literature. (For the benefit of anyone who isn’t aware of their publications they can be viewed or downloaded here:
    http://www.myeloma.org.uk/information/myeloma-uk-publications-list/ )

    I was on the 4-week version of CTDa: 500mg Cyclophosphamide on days 1, 8, 15, 22; 50mg Thalidomide daily for cycle 1, increasing by 50mg per cycle to 200mg daily for cycle 4; and 20mg Dex on days 1-4 and 15-18. The Thalidomide is increased gradually to see how well you tolerate it.

    Moving on to my Vel/Dex treatment, I was on 5-week cycles consisting of 4 weeks of treatment followed by a 1 week break: Velcade on days 1, 8, 15, 22; and 20mg Dex on days 1-2, 8-9, 15-16, 22-23. The Velcade dose is calculated using your estimated body surface area.

    The main differences were –
    CTD meds are all oral so I only needed to visit hospital for bloods and a review towards the end of each cycle and to pick up the meds for the next cycle. I am lucky in that I live within walking distance of a small local hospital, and I was able to go there to have bloods taken in advance of visits to the main regional hospital, which is in the same NHS trust. So I only needed to go to the main hospital once every 4 weeks for the CTDa treatment and once every 4 weeks for a Zometa infusion (sadly the cycles were out of phase).

    Velcade is injected subcutaneously and requires a hospital visit. It’s expensive (about £750 per injection) and the dose only keeps for about 8 hours once prepared. The nurses always waited till I arrived before ordering it from the pharmacy, which usually took about an hour. I was on a 5-week cycle consisting of 4 weeks of treatment followed by a 1 week break. Bloods were required before each injection so the nurses could check it was ok to proceed or if a dose adjustment was needed. Again I was able to have the bloods taken the day before at the local hospital.

    The CTDa caused mild neuropathy in my hands which slowly subsided after the treatment was stopped. Vel/Dex caused mild neuropathy in my feet, stronger than the Thalidomide neuropathy. It’s subsided a bit but I’ve still got it. After the Velcade was stopped I gradually developed what I think is neuropathy in patches around my knees and later, to a much lesser extent, my elbows. The affected areas have a numb sensation and are also tender depending on how they are touched.

    Otherwise I didn’t really notice much difference between the two treatments. I got a couple of days of constipation in each treatment week, which I didn’t do anything about because I figured taking a laxative might cause my bowel to flip to diarrhoea after the constipation. I didn’t have the Dex days that other people refer to.

    Barts don’t seem to go in for chewing ice. I’ve seen it mentioned a quite a bit in the Myeloma Beacon forums. Anyway, the Melphalan infusion was uneventful, just another infusion among many, and I didn’t get mucositis, which was unusual but not unknown I was told.  I was given MEL 140 instead of MEL 200 because of my age (69 at the time), which may go some way towards explaining it.

    Thanks for your comments about my SCT post. I’m pleased I wrote it when the experience was fresh in my mind. I wonder how Mandy is doing.

    I’m doing well thank you. I feel relatively normal.

    Hope you hear soon what’s happening next.

    Ian

    #120141

    iang
    Participant

    My first day unit (i.e. outpatient) appointment was 3 days after discharge, then they were weekly for 3 weeks, then mostly fortnightly till day 100. So the procedure obviously varies quite a lot from one unit to another.

    My PICC line was removed at the 2nd appointment after checking my blood results. The appointments consisted of having bloods taken, occasionally providing a urine sample, sometimes seeing the specialist care nurse, replenishing meds if needed, seeing a doctor if needed (twice), waiting for blood results. I usually asked for and got a copy of the results.

    Re wearing a mask – I asked about this before I was discharged and I was told it isn’t necessary.

    Ian

    #120139

    iang
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    Hi Peter

    I developed quite pronounced acid reflux symptoms during my first cycle of CTDa (attenuated CTD). My voice was weak and hoarse and my larynx was sore, often accompanied by a sort of acid taste in the back of my throat. Symptoms can vary from person to person, I also had frequent heartburn and a persistent cough.

    My initial CTDa meds included Omeprazole 20mg on the days I took Dexamethasone, to reduce the risk of stomach irritation caused by the Dex (Omeprazole suppresses the production of stomach acid). My consultant extended this to daily Omeprazole from the second cycle onwards, to treat the acid reflux. I also did some things I read are recommended if you have acid reflux, e.g. avoiding certain foods, avoiding large meals, avoiding eating or drinking within the 3 hours before going to bed, raising the head of your bed by several inches, avoiding tight clothes (I switched from using a belt to braces for a while). I can’t remember the exact timing but the symptoms subsided and stopped. That was about a year ago. After 4 cycles of CTDa I was switched to Velcade + Dex, had 4 cycles of this, then had a SCT in September. I’m still on daily Omeprazole but I wonder if I need it now.

    Best wishes

    Ian

    #120138

    iang
    Participant

    Hi Peter

    My guess is that “more chemo” will be one of the various Velcade combinations. That’s what I was switched to (in my case Velcade + Dex) when my response to CTDa seemed to have plateaued after 4 cycles. Either CTD or Velcade seems to be the choice for initial (induction) treatment in the UK for anyone not on a trial who might be eligible for a SCT.

    My pp was somewhere in the mid-teens to twenty-ish region when I had my SCT (I can’t be more precise because there is a long gap in the pp levels that I’m aware of).

    Good luck, and a happy new year.

    Ian

    #119000

    iang
    Participant

    I wouldn’t worry about a blood test result that is slightly outside what is considered to be the ‘normal’ range. The normal range for a particular result can vary from one lab to another. My guess is that the test result you’re referring to is MCV (mean cell volume). The test results from my local hospital, for example, say the normal range for MCV is 83 to 101 fL.

    Here’s hoping you get good news at your appointment with the haematologist. He/she will probably want to have fresh blood tests done, and possibly other tests depending on the results.

    Take care, Ian

    #118966

    iang
    Participant

    Hi Henrietta

    I think the Myeloma UK Infosheet about MGUS will put your mind at rest:

    http://www.myeloma.org.uk/information/myeloma-uk-publications-list/other-related-conditions/mgus-infosheet/

    I know of MGUS but I can’t add anything to what’s in the Infosheet. In fact I’m surprised that a paraprotein level of 30 g/L does not necessarily indicate Myeloma, which shows how little I know. If you want to explore further there is an MGUS forum on the Myeloma Beacon website:

    http://www.myelomabeacon.com/forum/mgus.html

    Take care, Ian

    #118899

    iang
    Participant

    Hi Sue

    Injecting subcutaneously means injecting just below the skin, injecting intravenously means injecting into a vein. You may have been given Clexane when you were having CTD treatment, Clexane is administered subcutaneously (you can inject Clexane yourself but not Velcade).

    I didn’t mean to alarm you. Peripheral neuropathy is a common side effect and in the case of Velcade it is less likely when the Velcade is injected subcutaneously. As with any side effect you should inform your medical team if you notice it. Your doctor may reduce the dose or the frequency of injections.

    I suggest you read the Myeloma UK Infoguide about Velcade:

    http://www.myeloma.org.uk/information/myeloma-uk-publications-list/myeloma-treatment/velcade-infoguide/

    Ian

    #118891

    iang
    Participant

    Hi Anthony

    Injecting subcutaneously has apparently reduced the side effects of Velcade compared with IV injections. The only immediate effects I got were regular injection site reactions and mild constipation – by mild I mean it only lasted a couple of days or so. I was injected on Thursdays and I was regularly constipated from part way through Saturday to part way through Monday. I didn’t take anything for it because I didn’t want it to swing violently to diarrhoea after a couple of days.

    Velcade gave me peripheral neuropathy (PN) in my toes starting I think during the 3rd cycle and it gradually got worse during the 4th cycle, which was the last before my SCT. My cycles were 5 weekly – 4 weeks of treatment and 1 week gap. My PN is not debilitating in any way. I don’t notice it when I’m walking. It’s particularly noticeable when I sit watching TV in the evenings, especially if I kick off my slippers and wiggle my toes. It also affects the area of my foot just behind my toes that stays in contact with the ground when I lift my heel.

    I have read that CTD PN can be permanent and Velcade PN tends to be reversible, but my experience so far is the opposite. My first treatment was CTDa and I was switched to Vel/Dex after 4 cycles because my paraprotein level seemed to have plateaued. I got PN in my hands from the 4 cycles of CTDa and it has cleared up completely. I’ve still got the PN in my feet caused by the Velcade, and so far it has shown little if any sign of subsiding. I have also got some numbness and tenderness in certain areas around my knees, which is not exactly what you think of as peripheral, but when I asked my consultant whether it might have been caused by the Velcade he said yes without hesitation. My thighs also feel like I’ve been doing lots of squats, but I first noticed this after my SCT so it might be associated with the high dose Melphalan.

    Just my experience.

    Ian

    #118844

    iang
    Participant

    Hi Mandy

    Thank you for your kind comments.

    The schedule I was sent for my admission said I would be admitted to one of three wards (4A, 5A or Bodley Scott 1) dependent on bed availability on the day. I was admitted to Bodley Scott 1. That’s the ward that was due to move. I don’t know anything about the other two, I haven’t seen them.

    Time seems to drag while you’re in there, but before you know it you’re getting ready to be discharged. Once you’re out you’re still on a few drugs, but no chemo, which is great. Then it’s fingers crossed you’ll be in remission for a nice long time.

    Good luck and take care

    Ian

    #118793

    iang
    Participant

    Actually, CTD is the usual abbreviation for Cyclophosphamide + Thalidomide + Dexamethasone, not CDT. (If you need convincing try Googling CTD myeloma, then try Googling CDT myeloma.)

    It’s not obvious that it should be one or the other. I sometimes have to think twice when I use the abbreviation in speech. CTDa is the attenuated version that has a reduced dexamethasone dose, which can help you get it the right way round if you remember that the ‘a’ is associated with the ‘D’.

    Vel/Dex and Vel-Dex are common abbreviations for Velade + Dexamethasone, but VD and Vd are also used. CVD, VCD and CyBorD are all used for Cyclophosphamide + Velcade (Bortezomib) + Dexamethasone.

    I can remember thinking that the liberal peppering of abbreviations made some posts (and medical literature) quite difficult to follow when I started looking up about myeloma. It’s not helped by the variation in abbreviations for the same drug. Velcade, for example, can be V (as in CVD), Vel (as in Vel/Dex) and Bor (as in CyBorD) and possibly others. It would be nice to have the consistency of chemical symbols.

    #118792

    iang
    Participant

    Hi Mandy

    I was in the day unit on Friday too. I’m 41 days post transplant (day T+41), so I’m not all that far ahead of you.

    I was diagnosed in mid October last year (that’s when I was told the bone marrow sample confirmed it was myeloma). After 4 cycles of CTDa and 4 cycles of Vel/Dex I had my transplant in early September.

    The harvesting was a bit tedious. My wife came with me (she’s been brilliant) so I had someone to talk to, though one of the nurses also stayed with me most of the time, monitoring the machine. You are connected to the machine for hours so they draw the curtains for you to perform the inevitable calls of nature. After the harvesting is stopped you have to wait while the stem cells are couriered to the Royal London (if I recall correctly) to be counted, and wait to hear if enough cells have been harvested. Because of my age (69) the nurse chose to only harvest enough stem cells for one transplant, which only took one day, but it was a long day. In your case they will presumably aim to harvest enough for two transplants.

    In the ward:

    The day after admission I had a dual PICC line inserted and I was given the high dose Melphalan along with lengthy hydration infusions. Anti sickness meds were started. A couple of days later my stem cells were returned. This was done by one of the specialist care nurses. After thawing them – they arrived in liquid nitrogen – she pumped them in manually rather than using a gravity or pump infusion, she said this was to make sure that as many cells were returned as possible.

    I was told the melphalan would affect the lining of my whole gastro-intestinal tract. I would get painful mucositis in my mouth, I would get diarrhoea, I might lose my appetite and I might get nausea and/or be sick. But I didn’t get any of these. I guess I was lucky. I religiously brushed my teeth (using an Oral B electric toothbrush) after each meal and before going to bed, followed by Caphosol mouthwash after each brushing. This may partly explain the absence of mucositis. The Caphosol information says it helps prevent and treat mucositis. Initially I was given a bottle of saline to use as a mouthwash, then I was given two packs of Caphosol on transplant day. I was also given Difflam oral rinse, which I used after waiting a suitable time (at least 15 minutes) to allow the Caphosol to work. Incidentally, I use Sensodyne Pronamel toothpaste, one of the few toothpastes available that do not contain SLS (sodium lauryl sulfate). I used to suffer from bouts of mouth ulcers before I switched to Pronamel (after reading about SLS), now I don’t. Avoiding SLS seems to be controversial, but using an SLS free toothpaste seems to benefit me.

    After settling down, life consisted of getting through each day, which was mainly tedious. Each bed had a Freeview TV, which was free (unlike some hospitals that charge). Freeview has radio channels as well as TV channels. You could buy newspapers, snacks, sweets, drinks, etc from a couple of trolleys that were brought round daily by volunteers that run the hospital shop. I had a cellular iPad which I found invaluable (I haven’t got a smartphone). The 3G signal is good in the ward and in the day unit, but the local cell gets very busy around lunch time causing internet browsing to grind to a halt. One tip, if you take any chargers (phone, iPad and toothbrush in my case) I suggest you take a short mains extension lead too, e.g. a 1m or 2m 4 way extension, because the mains sockets are quite high up the wall – about shoulder height. You may also need a 2 pin adapter (if a charger has a 2 pin shaver-type plug).

    Another tip. You need to keep your PICC line dry. Mine was inserted through the side of my right bicep (they put it in the arm you use most and I am right handed). The nurse who inserted it suggested a Bathguard waterproof sleeve. I looked online for devices to keep it dry and I liked the look of the LimbO elbow protector. My wife ordered a large one (M75) for me and it worked very well indeed on my arm, but anyone with even moderately large arm muscles will probably need to get one made to measure. It has wet suit-like material at each end with different size holes that your arm passes through. The smaller hole was quite tight on my forearm when the LimbO was high enough up my arm to cover the PICC area. It was good being able to shower without worrying about getting the PICC line wet.

    I tried to keep myself active as much as possible. I also avoided lying on the bed for long periods during the day. I was in an open ward initially and I was able to stride up and down the central aisle. This may not be an option now, the ward was due to move shortly after I was discharged and I gather the new ward only has side rooms. Later I was put into a side room and I was limited to walking around the bed. But there were many benefits of being in a side room – own washroom, no lights out (about 10pm in the open ward), no disturbance from other TVs or worry about your TV disturbing others, etc.
     
    I used a reporter’s notebook to keep a log/diary of my stay. Besides giving me something else to do I found it quite handy to be able to refer back to when things had happened. The nurses were happy to give me printouts of my blood test results, but if you prefer you could just keep track of the main ones (Hb, WBC, Plates, Neuts, and possibly creatinine) in your log.

    Most of the other patients in the ward seemed to have leukaemia. I was aware of just one other myeloma patient.

    Last but not least the nurses and doctors were all very pleasant, friendly and helpful.

    How my bloods progressed:

    My neutrophils collapsed on day T+6 and started recovering on day T+12 with the help of Zarzio. My platelets dropped steadily from day T+0 to next to nothing on day T+9 and recovered from about day T+20 onwards. You are discharged when your neutrophils are consistently above 0.5 and you feel ok. I was discharged on day T+17. I was neutropenic (neuts below 1.0) for some time after discharge but without daily blood tests I can’t say exactly how long.

    Transport:

    I’m not sure I could have carried bags for any distance when I was discharged, so my wife and stepson drove in to collect me. There’s no parking at Barts, but there is an underground City of London car park nearby. The charge is £2/hour which isn’t bad for a few hours and I was discharged on a Sunday so there was no congestion charge. When travelling in to the day unit we park at a Central Line car park and take the tube to St Pauls. My wife also did this when she travelled in to visit me. It’s far cheaper than travelling in by train (which we did once and it cost a small fortune). We got Oyster cards to reduce the tube fares. You can now (since Oct 1st) use a contactless credit or debit card instead of an Oyster card, the fares are the same, just make sure you use the same card on exit.

    I’ve crammed a lot into this post, I hope I haven’t overdone it and I hope it’s not too disjointed. Anyway, this was my experience. I hope it gives you some idea of what to expect. Good luck.

    Ian

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